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15 May 2006 @ 07:19 pm
From the alumni "fireside chat"  
The free wine is REALLY dry, and the beer selection blows. Bud, Miller, Bud Lite, and Miller Lite. Yuck.

A few people complained about the conference schedule builder, pointing outy that while it "sucks less than that year", it still blows chunks. Sun's tech leadership is pretty much convinced to make it a new project like PetStore, or release it with Web Services next year so that somebody else can do "something cool and USEFUL." James Gosling said that "The saga of the Schedule Builder app is tragic and ... stupid."

A lot of comments about deprecation - asking if deprecated methods will ever be removed (no) or undeprecated (also no).

Comments about J2ME in various countries. Apparently NTT Dokomo did this Right, setting up a server where anybody could post their cellphone apps for download to any customer, and automatically setting up a billing system where the developers get half and NTT gets half. Of course, american cellphone companies ignored this example and set up "walled garden" services where the celphone company makes a few apps for download, and provides now way for third-party developers to deploy profitable applications. Arrrgh.

The white wine is ... palatable. There's food here, too. Must remember next time that I won't need to get dinner Monday night. Most other nights vendors will provide food and drinks at parties.

A few comments from people that had seen Rails, or otherwise just wanted to make it easier to do simple things in Java. "Are you going to do anything to address this problem of complexity, or should we just use Rails?" Java tends toward having extremely complicated APIs to do extremely complicated things, and forcing to use the extremely complicated APIs to do things that are ridiculously simple on other platforms. This is partially because of the way Sun works with vendors (like IBM), and partially due to the JCP process - where developing APIs is handed over to a group of Experts, and Experts prefer to sapend more time thinking about complicated edge cases than everyday usage.

"Java makes the impossible possible. The problem is that the simple requires the same amount of effort."

A lot of people asking for Java client VM support (browser plugin and such) for Windows 64.