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17 April 2008 @ 01:42 pm
 
Hypothetical: Is carrying a kitchen knife in my backpack a "concealed weapon"?
 
 
 
Lady Doomlithera on April 17th, 2008 06:59 pm (UTC)
I believe, if I remember correctly, it depends on the length of the blade.
St. Sean the Amusedseanb on April 17th, 2008 08:43 pm (UTC)
Excellent. Good thing I didn't take in my kitchen knives to get sharpened during my lunch break today.
Lady Doomlithera on April 17th, 2008 08:44 pm (UTC)
Good thing.
Thom Marrionxnbach on April 17th, 2008 08:04 pm (UTC)
SMC 12A.14.080 Unlawful use of weapons.

It is unlawful for a person knowingly to:

B. Carry concealed or unconcealed on his or her person any dangerous
knife, or carry concealed on his or her person any deadly weapon other
than a firearm; or


(Ord. 117157 Section 5, 1994: Ord. 116872 Section 14,
1993: Ord. 113547 Section 3, 1987: Ord. 110785 Section 2, 1982: Ord.
110462 Section 2, 1982: Ord. 110179 Section 2, 1981: Ord. 109674
Section 12, 1981: Ord. 108814 Section 3, 1980: Ord. 102843 Section
12A.17.140, 1973.)

Subsection B regulating the carrying of certain knives is a reasonable
restriction of the right to bear arms. Seattle v. Riggins, 63
Wn.Ap.313, 818 P.2d 1100 (1991).

A citation as "carrying a concealed weapon" with the code section
number is sufficient to charge a violation of SMC 12A.14.080 B.
Seattle v. Hall, 60 Wn.App. 645, 806 P.2d 1246 (1991).


WanderingFeywanderingfey on April 17th, 2008 08:27 pm (UTC)
game. set. match.

I stand corrected.

(so, in response to the original post, it is illegal to carry a kitchen knife in a backpack?)
St. Sean the Amusedseanb on April 17th, 2008 08:43 pm (UTC)
I think so. Is there any legal way to transport a kitchen knife that is 3.5 inches or longer?

Edited at 2008-04-17 08:44 pm (UTC)
GryMorgrymor on April 17th, 2008 09:35 pm (UTC)
From the above:

"It is unlawful for a person knowingly to:"

So, per that, yes, you can transport a kitchen knife so long as you don't know you are doing it. Say by giving a friend a sealed bag and telling them to carry it to the destination, without telling them what is inside...

But more seriously, there should be a way of doing this, otherwise how could you ever buy something from Excalibur? Unless of course it's of such shoddy workmanship that it's not considered a weapon...
TW Bruhnapestyle on April 17th, 2008 10:56 pm (UTC)
Your max length is 4 inches before its considered a lethal weapon. I just asked a knife manufacturer that I know.
St. Sean the Amusedseanb on April 17th, 2008 11:16 pm (UTC)
Either the knife manufacturer isn't in Seattle, or there's a difference between "lethal" and "dangerous".
TW Bruhnapestyle on April 18th, 2008 12:20 am (UTC)
Sorry, "lethal" was my verbage. He just said that the blade length limit is 4".
GryMorgrymor on April 17th, 2008 09:46 pm (UTC)
The proscriptions of Section 12A.14.080 B relating to dangerous knives shall not apply to:

A. A licensed hunter or licensed fisherman actively engaged in hunting and fishing activity including education and travel related thereto; or

B. Any person immediately engaged in an activity related to a lawful occupation which commonly requires the use of such knife, provided such knife is carried unconcealed; provided further that a dangerous knife carried openly in a sheath suspended from the waist of the person is not concealed within the meaning of this subsection;

C. Any person carrying such knife in a secure wrapper or in a tool box while traveling from the place of purchase, from or to a place of repair, or from or to such person's home or place of business, or in moving from one (1) place of abode or business to another, or while in such person's place of abode or fixed place of business.

(Ord. 113547 Section 4, 1987: Ord. 109674 Section 13(part), 1981: Ord. 108814 Section 4(part), 1980: Ord. 108309 Section 1(part), 1979: Ord. 108191 Section 1(part), 1979: Ord. 102843 Section 12A.17.160(2), 1973.)

WanderingFeywanderingfey on April 17th, 2008 11:24 pm (UTC)
I'd love to know their definition of a "secure wrapper".
horriblywrong on April 17th, 2008 11:43 pm (UTC)
Knife bag.
WanderingFeywanderingfey on April 17th, 2008 08:25 pm (UTC)
I'm unsure of the specifics of Washington's regulation on this. If it's in a
backpack I don't think it's so much of an issue.

From what I recall, Washington doesn't regulate and require permits for concealed weapons, so much as concealed firearms.